Bob Woodward, in an interview Tuesday night with CNN host Anderson Cooper, reacted to President Donald Trump telling ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos that if anything he “up-played” the coronavirus threat.

“We are living in an Orwellian world,” Woodward declared. “This is not just about some political problem or some geopolitical problem, it’s about the lives of people in this country and he was told, he knew, he told me about it.”

“I thought it was about China and quite frankly, it took me three months to find out about that key January 28th meeting in the Oval Office, which was a top-secret intelligence briefing and the briefer from the intelligence community is saying, well, there are problems in China, but they’re working on it and that’s when the National Security Adviser and the deputy stepped in, I have witnesses to this, participants in this and said, no, no, and pushed a very contrarian view based on facts and experience,” Woodward said.